I respect your opinion because I'm usually more a fan of the action than the comedy, but you I think you're being a little too critical. I think it is so awesome that the writers display such a respect for the Ben 10 universe by showing us Ben as a kid, as a 10 year old, and in Alien Force in one episode. And did you see my list of villain cameos from this episode? It's an ode to Ben 10 history, which the writers really care about. Seeing characters that either haven't appeared or only appeared once is a real treat to long time fans like us.Ursalink wrote:OK, I have seen the episode and, honestly, I don't know what to say. I mean, sure, if you are looking for something to laugh, this episode is perfect. But if you want to see an episode continuing Ben 10's arcs, then I'll say this is the most "cartoonish", ridiculous and stupid episode of Ben 10 that I have ever seen. I just don't know from where begin:
1º) First of all, I can't believe nobody has noticed the two big references to old cartoon shows in this episode. They brought back memories from my childhood, back in the 90's. See:
+ Thunderpig's name, his clothes, the picture in his belt buckle, and then his battle's scream "Thunder... Thunder... Thunderpig!!". Seriously, people, can't you recognize he's parodying Leonor from the 90's version of "ThunderCats"? Aside of that, accusing Ben's for eating his father... That's incredibly stupid!!! (I mean, I doubt Ben will eat another sentient being alive).
+ In the flashback about Ben and Mr Baumann meeting when ben was 5 and a half years old (it was ridiculous to put the age in his clothes, by the way), the way he said "Mr Baumann", didn't it ring you a bell? That's exactly how Dennis used to say "Mr Wilson" back in the 90's version of "Dennis the Menace"!!
2º) Well, one mystery solved. Now we know from which episode did Derrick J Wyatt take his image of Way Big saying "WUT"; it comes from the scene with 11 years old Ben's flashback.
3º) There's something I didn't get right. Just before Psyphon started to talk at the auction, I think some people made some comments about how Psyphon was previously Vilgax's right hand, then he deserted and he ended becoming a laughingstock or something. Can somebody please confirm what exactly those guys said?
4º) Seriously, the guys in Cartoon Network are some big stupidheads messing up the order of the episodes. There's a lot of continuity problems in this episode, most of them because of the cameos. Let me tell you some of them:
+ First of all, Seebik and the rest of the Kraahos were supposed to be "under control" with Ester as their new leader; but they are back as bad guys in this episode. I think the explanation will be in the episode "Rules of Engagement", where they appear again when Looma attack. I just hope nothing bad will happen to Ester. I don't like her as a love interest for Ben, but I like her.
+ Fistina selling herself for a date in the auction with a Kraaho. In the preview of "Rules of Engagement", it was shown that Fistina had a crush on "Little Rook". Does this mean that story will end in bad terms or something? Boy, they should have aired "Rules of Engagement" first!!
+ Honestly, they should have made clear what kind of powers Toepick has. I mean, his only power is that is so gross and ugly than it can kill people by horror? No way, it must have something else. With that body, I guess it must have some grade of super strength too; and honestly, I doubt it can be even uglier than Ghostfreak's true form. He even reminded me Shrek when he says "Nobody beats me in a scaring contest". And since Ben didn't seem surprised by his transformation into Toepick, I guess this is not the first time he use it; which means he must have used it in a previous episode. (Another mess like when 16 years old's Feedbak appeared). On the other hand, maybe Toepick is one of the aliens Ben unlocked back in his 11 years old's adventures, just like Feedback and Articguana. (Derrick confirmed that Ben unlocked Articguana and some other aliens, probably the same ones from "Ken 10", at the same time that Feedback). That would be more acceptable.
5º) Like I said, some of the cameos in the episode brings continuity problems too. Not to mention that this episode takes the "cameo" concept in a tv series to the extreme!! Well, let's see:
+ Dr Psychobos: They should have aired the two parts of Showdown before this episode. The best guess we can get is that in Ben's final battle against these villains (Psychobos, Malware, Khyber and his dog) is that while Malware is destroyed and Khyber is arrested along his pet, Psychobos betrays his "partners" to escape. We will have to wait to discover it.
+ The presence of Psychobos, Fistine and Bubble Helmet doesn't have sense. They didn't manage to escape from prison back in "Outbreak", so they should still be in prison. How did they escape? Now that I think of it, the same problem happens for Liam's presence in "Store 23" and Fistina's presence in "Rules of Engagement".
+ The presence of the Billy-Alien has no sense. He's supposed to be an alien kid, friend of Kenny in the alternative future of "Ken 10". So you are telling me that, 30 years in the future, he's still a kid and a friend of Ben's son, after being associated with alien criminals?
+ Neither has sense the presence of Exo-Skull in the episode, since that was a mutated rhino created by Dr Animo in the future. What is he doing it? Unless, of course, they will introduce him in one of the "skipped previous episodes" and explain its origin and presence here. Which in that case, it would be another continuity problem.
+ Darkstar's cameo in this episode intrigates me. I hope this means in one of the "skipped previous episodes" he will make an official debut. I would like to see Ben fighting him without Gwen distracting his mind with her "delicious mana".
+ Some people said that SevenSeven and Slix Vigma appeared in the episode, but I haven't seen them anywhere. Did you see them, by any chance?
+ There's three cameos in the auction that apparently no one noticed. First, the Techadon Weaponmaster "Inspector 13" is in it. Second, Thunderpig can be seen in one scene, which is ridiculous considering Ben kicked his butt a few minutes ago. And third, a pickaxe alien, which it doesn't have sense either; when they are supposed to go in groups and work for Vulkanus.
6º) Honestly, Mr Baumman is an idiot. Learn about reponsibility? You are talking about a kid that save the universe multiple time and he didn't let himself to be corrupted by Diagon's and Ascalon's power to change the world. We understand your frustration about the destrucion of your car (and house), but that's not Ben's fault if you have so bad luck!!! However, I think Ben is a little idiot too. I mean, he could have used Upgrade or Jury Rigg to fix Mr Baumann instantly, instead of pay for the repairs, don't you think?
7º) I'm very intrigated by the "cat girl" with purple hair that appears behind Vulkanus at the auction. That must be the new female villain that Derrick promised us. It looks like a little silly, honestly, because it has a little "nerd" look just like Gwen now. He said his name is Nyancy Chan. He possibly had her debut in another of the "skipped previous episodes". Men, I really hate Cartoon Network's worker for creating such a mess here. I hope we will see her soon in her official debut.
8º) There was an alien at the auction that called my attention. It seemed an alien made of electricity and contained inside an armor; similar to NRG. I hope Ben could gain that alien form in the future.
9º) Finally, I'm a little disappointed with the last battle in the episode. Let's see:
+ We have Ben battling against Psyphon, Zombozo, Fisttrick, Vulkanus, Trumbipulor, Tummyhead, Sunder, Fistina, Octagon and Romboid Vreedle. They seemed a new version of the Negative 10. I really wanted to see Ben against another version of the Negative 10, but I expected a longer and more exciting trama than this. Besides, it would be better a Negative 10 formed by Ben's A-List's foes (like Vilgax and Aggregor), not members from the B or C lists.
+ I think the battle was a little short and easy for Ben, but maybe it was because the villains was just making random attacks; without any team work or something. Honestly, this was another perfect opportunity for Ben to use Humungousaur's power to grow and defeat the villains. It would have been more acceptable such short battle, especially when the last time Ben used Humungosaur against Trumbipulor, he had several difficulties.
+ Ben as Humungousaur throwing Sunder's glider to the space was stupid. I mean, Humungousaur is not as strong as Way Big, not even in his bigger mode; so how could he do that?
+ I think Ben was stupid, because he could have ended the battle instantly if he had used Way Big instead of Humungousaur. By the size of the roof, I think he had enough space for him.
+ Psyphon acted like a real idiot here, which ruins his previous image as an smart "minion" and now as a calculating/threatening villain. First, because of his surprise with Ben's goldfishes. Second, the way he reacted when he realized Ben had the Dwarf start and he wanted to recover it to gain money. Third, he thought Ben didn't have a chance against the last 10 villains, but he completely forgot Way Big, which Ben could have used to smash all of them at the same time. Fourth, he thought he could conquer the universe with a Dwarf star, even when he has seen way more powerful things in the universe, like Diagon. Fourth, he had to reveal Ben the Dwarf Star's nature with his big mouth, when he had a perfect chance to get it easily. And finally, the way he was defeated; afer being scared by Toepick, he just knocks himself against a fridge.
Sorry for such a long post. Well, opinions?
I think you have to accept that this show is trying to blend comedy and action, more so than in past series. But it's actually working! and really well! You have to understand that Psyphon isn't one of the badass villains. You won't see Malware or Khyber or Vilgax (or maybe Aggregor?!) at one of these auctions, they're the villains that bring us the awesomeness. All the other ones can be used for comedy. And lets face it, villains are pretty funny.