The Voice wrote:Those are some reasons and Ebon is right about the hated parts as well. But the majority of people I've spoken to and am friends with hated Omniverse, is that after UA we felt like it was going to continue in that direction, there was a level of expectation like we'd come to know Ben 10 so well and then bam Omniverse! It was a nightmare everything we had come to love was turned on it's head with the overbearing comedy and awful everything about it. We felt betrayed like some just played a very cruel joke on us, it didn't feel like Ben 10 anymore, Omniverse was the TTG of the Ben 10 series some people went into denial and just swallowed the bitter pill pretending it was going to be alright. All in all it's the reason we are where we are now.Tactical Ochoa wrote:Here's the thing about comedy in Ben 10. Fans aren't concerned as to whether or not the Ben 10 reboot will have any comedy in general. The fans are concerned about whether the reboot will be a comedy show or an action show with comedic elements. They don't want a comedy show out of the Ben 10 reboot. They want an action show with comedic elements. Not every show needs comedic elements to make them work either. It helps but not always. There have been many shows on television that have either very little comedy or no comedy at all and they were entertaining and fun to watch.
If you think that Omniverse had a perfect amount of comedy in it, that's fine but most fans despise Omniverse and one major reason why is that to them, including me, there's too much comedy in Omniverse. At least most of the time, Omniverse focused so much on comedy that it overpowered the action and more dark and serious moments. Many fans don't like Alien Force and Ultimate Alien one major reason being that because it was too dark and not light enough. Most fans hate Omniverse one major reason being that because it was too light and not dark enough. To most fans of Ben 10, Omniverse felt more like a comedy show with action elements instead of an action show with comedy elements. The original Ben 10 was an action show with comedic elements. Not a comedy show with action elements.
Regardless of what Man of Action says about the reboot being more action-oriented, most fans fear that the Ben 10 reboot will be a comedy show anyways. This is most especially because of CN's recent track record with their shows, removing all or most of their action shows and replacing them with comedy shows that are cheaply made using flash art. Even going so far as to turn some of their more action shows into comedy shows, such as Teen Titans Go. The problem isn't that people are worried that the Ben 10 reboot will have comedy in general. The real problem is that people are worried that the Ben 10 reboot will end up being a comedy show and not an action show.
The Problem "The Voice" is that what you call Ben 10 isnt Ben 10 and sorry if for me is difficult to explain myself, but what i am trying to say is:
Alien Force and Ultimate Alien maybe were part of the Ben 10 Franchise and maybe follow the Ben 10 formula, but again like i say there is a formula of elements and characters, the Original Serie created this elements and AF/UA changed the tone of the franchise, but later Omniverse took back the old tone, the original one and also followed the Formula.
So if you and your friends want to understand what is really about Ben 10, then please see the Original Series again and please understand this is the original material, the guy with the golden mask call Enoch that is real Forever King or was until AF mess up the organization with Patrick and their bullshit.
But my point here isnt create a discussion, my point here is to make you understand that Alien Force and Ultimate Alien arent how Ben 10 needs and have to be.
Like Alien Force and Ultimate Alien are part of this big franchise, they were the ones who broke the Formula not Omniverse, because Omniverse is part of Ben 10 and follow all the rules to be part of the franchise. Gwevin (or whatever the name is), "dark/gritty/mature/serious/adult", teenager relationships arent part of Ben 10.
Ben 10 is a formula base in seven elements: Mistery, Action, Adventure, Aliens, Comedy, Road Trip and a Big Universe. If a series dont follow this elements isnt Ben 10, Omniverse follow all this Elements? Yes, then is Ben 10, so simple so right.
Understand it once for all. A series dont need to be like Alien Force was to be Ben 10, because Ben 10 have a formula, Alien Force itself broke the formula and dont followed or respect some parts of the Universe and that is why it had so many hate from the OS fans.
The only series who can we say is Ben 10 in reality is Ben 10, because it is the one who created everything, the writers and designers of Ben 10 dont returned for Alien Force and Alien Force dont followed or respected a lot of things about the OS and it is okay but that was the beginning of two different worlds.
Omniverse wasnt a bad series, was good, pretty good, pretty over the stop and stupid, but it was part of the comedy, for example a great comedy movie is "21 Jump Street" and if you watch that movie you will understand a good comedy always has good pretty over the top and stupid moments.
But Teen Titans Go! and Omniverse are pretty far away from being similar series, because Teen Titans Go! never respected anything about the original material and mocks of it everything it can, with sketches and jokes. While Ben 10 always follow the Ben 10 formula and become in the second best series in the franchise, only following the formula.
Omniverse give to the fans more than 100 Aliens, it knew when to be serious and when to be pretty stupid and over the top, the first 40 episodes are the ones i can call perfect, then the comedy become irritating and later lame and stupid, but this was thanks to CN who order 20 episodes more with only some weeks to deliver the stories and scripts.
Omniverse had the comedy, the action, the aliens, the mistery, the road trip, exploded and presented the universe like any other series before and redeemed AF/UA, if Omniverse had better character development and they had given Ben a character development so good like AF or UA give to him then it would had been perfect.
Why i say all this bullshit you should ask? Because the Reboot is coming, the Reboot is coming! and if we are clear with what we expect less people will come here screaming nosense bullshit about how they dont follow McDuffie "the great" ideas, when McDuffie isnt longer here and we need to understand if Omniverse did a pretty awesome job following his path, then what could do this reboot wrong?
The Next Morning The Reboot is like Teen Titans Go! but in Ben 10 version.